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Some postscripts:

1) Another interesting way to rephrase it is that a single real number can contain an infinite amount of information. In contrast, other numbers discussed in this chapter can only encode finite amounts.

2) Some readers may wonder why we talk about "classes" to describe a collection of sets that share common property. Isn't a class just a set of sets?

Well, if you allow sets to be constructed from a universe of all imaginable mathematical objects - a principle known as unrestricted comprehension - you end up with contradictions. Most famously, you risk Russell's paradox: let P be a set of all sets that aren't members of themselves. Is P a member of itself? If not, then it should have been selected by the criteria - and should have been a member! But if we make it a member, it no longer satisfies the selection criteria, and we're back to square one.

To avoid this, in standard set theory, you're limited to constructing new sets by selecting objects from the sets you already have. This is known as restricted comprehension. In this context, we can still talk about collections of mathematical objects without showing how to build them, but we call these collections "classes". They may have set-like properties, but we're not supposed to do set operations on them. We can, however, do operations on any representative set in that class.

3) You might also encounter an alternative way to define reals using Cauchy sequences. In essence, we define ℝ in terms of converging sequences of rational numbers that get arbitrarily close to any real (and in the limit at infinity, point to the real *exactly*). As with Dedekind cuts, we're not saying how each of these sequences looks like, just that every real number is a converging sequence of rationals. Both of these methods are functionally equivalent; if you're interested in rational approximations of reals, you might get a kick out of this article: https://lcamtuf.substack.com/p/approximation-game

4) In the first article in the series (https://lcamtuf.substack.com/p/09999-1), we asserted that reals follow the Archimedean property, i.e., they don't include infinitesimals. It's an axiom, but we can show it follows from the construction approach discussed here, too. Every integer is finite. If so, the stepover between rational numbers can be arbitrarily small, but is always strictly larger than any conceivable notion of an infinitesimal (ε = "1/∞"). So, the partitions of ℚ made for x and x+ε must be indistinguishable, because the delta is smaller than the spacing of rational numbers.

5) In the same article, I introduced hyperreals without explaining their construction in a rigorous way. Hyperreals extend reals by adding infinitesimal and infinite quantities. There are several ways to approach this task, but one is to express infinitesimals as sequences of real numbers that converge to zero at different rates (and infinite values as the inverse).

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I got a D in analysis. I can believe that 0 = {} but I had a hard time believing 1 = { 0, {}}. I can see how a Dedekind cut defines numbers but thats all a x b to me is not really {a-lower, a-upper} x {b-l, b-u}. Really the LUB was nonsense to me except for one thing, .9999... = 1.

Cardinality, ordinality and measure are what we have in the real world. I do believe there are irrational, transcendent, uncomputable and other numbers. Hyper reals, not sure, its just epsilon to me.

"Some of the tiles are redundant (e.g., 2 is the same as 4/2), but this is not important for the proof" there is therefore not an exact matchup on diagnolization of Q.

The professor said series do not equal sequences when I asked why can't you use the series test on a sequence. Isn't that what category theory is for.

Then there was how a differential equation is not a difference equation,

One Graduate student said quantum theory is not commutative and another professor said it was.

I also don't get Tropical analysis, the Collatz conjecture, modular forms and many other things.

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